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	<title>Comments on: The Progressive Generation Gap</title>
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		<title>By: Kari Chisholm</title>
		<link>http://jstahl.org/archives/2005/04/26/the-progressive-generation-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-11185</link>
		<dc:creator>Kari Chisholm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2005 14:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;ve noticed this very generation gap many times over the years.  In Oregon, if you look around, you&#039;ll find quite a few political professionals (hacks, consultants, lobbyists) in their middle-50s and older - and quite a few in their late 20s and early 30s.  What you won&#039;t find are nearly as many in their 40s.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Why?  I think it has to do with the life-changing effects of an inspirational presidential campaign during the years they were forming a concept of their career/life&#039;s work.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Many of the older cohort will tell you that they&#039;re in politics because of Bobby Kennedy (and the follow-on experience of Watergate).  Many of the younger cohort will tell you about their first political experiences during the Bill Clinton campaign (and the follow-on experience of the Gingrich takeover.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But there wasn&#039;t anything like that in the late 1970s and 1980s.  Just the (then) uninspirational Carter presidency and the 12 years of Reagan/Bush.  Thus, no 40-year-old politicos.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve noticed this very generation gap many times over the years.  In Oregon, if you look around, you&#8217;ll find quite a few political professionals (hacks, consultants, lobbyists) in their middle-50s and older &#8211; and quite a few in their late 20s and early 30s.  What you won&#8217;t find are nearly as many in their 40s.</p>
<p>Why?  I think it has to do with the life-changing effects of an inspirational presidential campaign during the years they were forming a concept of their career/life&#8217;s work.</p>
<p>Many of the older cohort will tell you that they&#8217;re in politics because of Bobby Kennedy (and the follow-on experience of Watergate).  Many of the younger cohort will tell you about their first political experiences during the Bill Clinton campaign (and the follow-on experience of the Gingrich takeover.)</p>
<p>But there wasn&#8217;t anything like that in the late 1970s and 1980s.  Just the (then) uninspirational Carter presidency and the 12 years of Reagan/Bush.  Thus, no 40-year-old politicos.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily Gertz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily Gertz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2005 00:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Heya Jon,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Speaking as a 41-year-old with a fairly steady history of some or other progressive political work, but without a long-term organizational affiliation  (I&#039;m a useful bridger!) , I might well define the kind of person Schimitt&#039;s counting as missing in action.   But I don&#039;t think he&#039;s right about this as a major cause:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&quot;There was almost no progressive activism on campus in the late Carter and Reagan years, which means that there are relatively few of us in our late-30s/early-40s in these organizations.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I seem to recall quite a lot of activism on my  campus, and Rutgers, The State U. of New Jersey in New Brunswick was not exactly a hotbed of radical student politics in the early 1980&#039;s.  There was anti-apartheid organizing.  There were &quot;Take Back the Night&quot; marches, and rallies protesting Reagan&#039;s bombing of Libya.  There were anti-nuke organizations, and peace organizing--&quot;The Day After&quot; aired in 1983, right?  There was the whole &quot;We Are The World&quot; anti-hunger movement.  There were PIRGs (I interned and went on to work for one).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In short, there was a lot of progressive stuff going on.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So, if there&#039;s a big dropoff of people in their 40s in the progressive establishment, I strongly suspect there are other reasons...inflation?  Economics?  We&#039;re in the second big economic downtown of my two decades of adulthood.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The gap between 60&#039;s-70&#039;s idealism and 80&#039;s-90&#039;s pragmatism?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Were we too close in age to those 50-something bosses to get good mentoring? Or did we have some sort of edge-of-boomerdom sense of entitlement that made us too impatient to stick with a job for the long haul?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heya Jon,</p>
<p>Speaking as a 41-year-old with a fairly steady history of some or other progressive political work, but without a long-term organizational affiliation  (I&#8217;m a useful bridger!) , I might well define the kind of person Schimitt&#8217;s counting as missing in action.   But I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;s right about this as a major cause:</p>
<p>&#8220;There was almost no progressive activism on campus in the late Carter and Reagan years, which means that there are relatively few of us in our late-30s/early-40s in these organizations.&#8221;</p>
<p>I seem to recall quite a lot of activism on my  campus, and Rutgers, The State U. of New Jersey in New Brunswick was not exactly a hotbed of radical student politics in the early 1980&#8242;s.  There was anti-apartheid organizing.  There were &#8220;Take Back the Night&#8221; marches, and rallies protesting Reagan&#8217;s bombing of Libya.  There were anti-nuke organizations, and peace organizing&#8211;&#8221;The Day After&#8221; aired in 1983, right?  There was the whole &#8220;We Are The World&#8221; anti-hunger movement.  There were PIRGs (I interned and went on to work for one).</p>
<p>In short, there was a lot of progressive stuff going on.</p>
<p>So, if there&#8217;s a big dropoff of people in their 40s in the progressive establishment, I strongly suspect there are other reasons&#8230;inflation?  Economics?  We&#8217;re in the second big economic downtown of my two decades of adulthood.</p>
<p>The gap between 60&#8242;s-70&#8242;s idealism and 80&#8242;s-90&#8242;s pragmatism?</p>
<p>Were we too close in age to those 50-something bosses to get good mentoring? Or did we have some sort of edge-of-boomerdom sense of entitlement that made us too impatient to stick with a job for the long haul?</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Stahl</title>
		<link>http://jstahl.org/archives/2005/04/26/the-progressive-generation-gap/comment-page-1/#comment-9932</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Stahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2005 06:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What I think is still hard to understand is what concrete steps different folks can take to overcome this.  These are hard issues to solve -- they take time and money and both are scarce.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I think is still hard to understand is what concrete steps different folks can take to overcome this.  These are hard issues to solve &#8212; they take time and money and both are scarce.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruby Sinreich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ruby Sinreich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Apr 2005 17:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is really hitting the nail on the head, Jon.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have actually seens this problem more at the state and local groups I have worked for/with.  At the the gigantic dinosaur where I am employed (for now), there is so much organizational inertia that you hardly even need an actual person to represent the old school.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks so much for sharing this, I will pass it on.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is really hitting the nail on the head, Jon.</p>
<p>I have actually seens this problem more at the state and local groups I have worked for/with.  At the the gigantic dinosaur where I am employed (for now), there is so much organizational inertia that you hardly even need an actual person to represent the old school.</p>
<p>Thanks so much for sharing this, I will pass it on.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Stahl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Stahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2005 23:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, I figure that working for an organization that is regularly funded by major regional environmental funders makes one at least &quot;semi-establishment.&quot;  ;-)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I figure that working for an organization that is regularly funded by major regional environmental funders makes one at least &#8220;semi-establishment.&#8221;  <img src='http://jstahl.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Aaron VanDerlilp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron VanDerlilp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2005 22:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yikes, what makes one a semi-establishment type (looks around, is that me?)?
Does one have to be eccentric to avoid falling through the 40yr old gap?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yikes, what makes one a semi-establishment type (looks around, is that me?)?<br />
Does one have to be eccentric to avoid falling through the 40yr old gap?</p>
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