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		<title>By: Jon Stahl</title>
		<link>http://jstahl.org/archives/2005/09/19/ploneorg-needs-a-canonical-listing-of-plone-powered-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-31639</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Stahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 03:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey Jonah-&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;About two days after writing this, I &lt;em&gt;did&lt;/em&gt; join the marketing committee list... I&#039;m still mostly in &quot;lurk&quot; mode, but will soon decloak, I&#039;m sure.  ;-)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jonah-</p>
<p>About two days after writing this, I <em>did</em> join the marketing committee list&#8230; I&#8217;m still mostly in &#8220;lurk&#8221; mode, but will soon decloak, I&#8217;m sure.  <img src='http://jstahl.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jonah</title>
		<link>http://jstahl.org/archives/2005/09/19/ploneorg-needs-a-canonical-listing-of-plone-powered-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-31529</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2005 02:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey - this is a great conversation. These are exactly the kind of ideas that we are always looking for on the marketing comittee list http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-committee&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This group is more about vision and message than it is about &quot;marketing&quot;, and we try to operate as a do-acracy, producing actaul documents and delivarables that can help people understnad what plone is and what its good for.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Stop by and ask some of these questions there.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Jim - I also have plenty of ideas for what a faculty member might use Plone for, along with many examples (including http://educommons.sourceforge.net/ which is built on Plone).  This post is also a good place to start: http://lists.plone.org/pipermail/marketing-committee/2005-August/00028.html&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the ideas!
/Jonah&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey &#8211; this is a great conversation. These are exactly the kind of ideas that we are always looking for on the marketing comittee list <a href="http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-committee" rel="nofollow">http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-committee</a></p>
<p>This group is more about vision and message than it is about &#8220;marketing&#8221;, and we try to operate as a do-acracy, producing actaul documents and delivarables that can help people understnad what plone is and what its good for.</p>
<p>Stop by and ask some of these questions there.</p>
<p>Jim &#8211; I also have plenty of ideas for what a faculty member might use Plone for, along with many examples (including <a href="http://educommons.sourceforge.net/" rel="nofollow">http://educommons.sourceforge.net/</a> which is built on Plone).  This post is also a good place to start: <a href="http://lists.plone.org/pipermail/marketing-committee/2005-August/00028.html" rel="nofollow">http://lists.plone.org/pipermail/marketing-committee/2005-August/00028.html</a></p>
<p>Thanks for the ideas!<br />
/Jonah</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Stahl</title>
		<link>http://jstahl.org/archives/2005/09/19/ploneorg-needs-a-canonical-listing-of-plone-powered-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-31379</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Stahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2005 05:21:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jim-&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not sure I agree.  My colleagues at ONE/Northwest are solving lots of real problems for grassroots environmental nonprofits with Plone -- helping them create polished, professional, easy-to-update public websites, easy-to-use intra- and extranets, and custom web applications.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Often I find that consultants are trying to solve problems that the clients don&#039;t know they have.  Maybe the problem is that you and your client have a different understanding of what the problem is.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m told by the Plone developer community (including Jean, above) that an all-new Plone.net site is coming soon, and that a big listing of great Plone sites will be a key component of it.  That&#039;s great news.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim-</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure I agree.  My colleagues at ONE/Northwest are solving lots of real problems for grassroots environmental nonprofits with Plone &#8212; helping them create polished, professional, easy-to-update public websites, easy-to-use intra- and extranets, and custom web applications.</p>
<p>Often I find that consultants are trying to solve problems that the clients don&#8217;t know they have.  Maybe the problem is that you and your client have a different understanding of what the problem is.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m told by the Plone developer community (including Jean, above) that an all-new Plone.net site is coming soon, and that a big listing of great Plone sites will be a key component of it.  That&#8217;s great news.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2005 21:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I just installed Plone at a request of a new faculty member.  He thinks it will offer his department a better way to communicate.  But to sell the idea I went looking for some shining examples.  So far I&#039;m coming up short.  Plone is a solution in search of a problem - a great directory of showcase Plone sites might help fight that problem.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just installed Plone at a request of a new faculty member.  He thinks it will offer his department a better way to communicate.  But to sell the idea I went looking for some shining examples.  So far I&#8217;m coming up short.  Plone is a solution in search of a problem &#8211; a great directory of showcase Plone sites might help fight that problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Jean Jordaan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jean Jordaan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2005 13:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The new Plone site listing and related topics is being discussed on 
  http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plonenet&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Jump in there, or send me details of any sites you&#039;d like to see included.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The new Plone site listing and related topics is being discussed on<br />
  <a href="http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plonenet" rel="nofollow">http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/plonenet</a></p>
<p>Jump in there, or send me details of any sites you&#8217;d like to see included.</p>
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		<title>By: CMSPowered Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>CMSPowered Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 11:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Directory of Plone sites.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Jon Stahl described in a blog his vision about directory of Plone powered sites. This motivate me write few words about cmspowered.info&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Directory of Plone sites.</strong></p>
<p>Jon Stahl described in a blog his vision about directory of Plone powered sites. This motivate me write few words about cmspowered.info</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Stahl</title>
		<link>http://jstahl.org/archives/2005/09/19/ploneorg-needs-a-canonical-listing-of-plone-powered-sites/comment-page-1/#comment-29406</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Stahl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2005 00:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mike-&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Totally great idea.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike-</p>
<p>Totally great idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Malloch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Malloch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Sep 2005 16:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree about the proposed new content types for plone.org, but think it would also be a good idea to agree a common tag to use in the open social-bookmarking systems.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The plone.org types would be great for developers and site managers who have the time, awareness  and confidence to come to plone.org to describe their sites, but many interesting uses of plone would slip through the cracks I fear.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Having sites tagged as  &#039;plone-site&#039; (or whatever is agreed) in del.icio.us for instance has several other advantages: (1) it exposes the plone-ness of these sites to users who browse their del.icio.us listing for other reasons, (2) it exposes the listings to open public tagging on their other attributes, evolving a rough &amp; ready folksonomy of plone-sites, (3) it lets the bookmarking public express its rating of sites&#039; interest and importance (for instance, 900 people have bookmarked &#039;Ubuntu - Linux for Human Beings&#039; at del.icio.us), and (4) it makes it very very quick &amp; simple for plone advocates to note plone sites as we encounter them.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;For instance, the tag I have used to casually note plone sites as I run across them is &quot;plone-site&quot; (I seem to be the only one who has used this one though:  http://del.icio.us/tag/plone-site == http://del.icio.us/Mike_Malloch/plone-site).  There are 3 uses of the tag &quot;plonesite&quot; by others in del,icio.us.  Any reasonably rare string would suit me for this kind of tagging - the more &#039;natural&#039; and guess-able the better of course.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I have a hunch that simplicity and open-ness are in themselves a 5th advantage of complementing &#039;real&#039; case studies and listing entries with more casual postings in the big public services.  As we move towards loosely-coupled parts &amp; services for meeting users&#039; needs, and away from portal/CMS lock-in, these open services will become more and more important I think.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree about the proposed new content types for plone.org, but think it would also be a good idea to agree a common tag to use in the open social-bookmarking systems.</p>
<p>The plone.org types would be great for developers and site managers who have the time, awareness  and confidence to come to plone.org to describe their sites, but many interesting uses of plone would slip through the cracks I fear.</p>
<p>Having sites tagged as  &#8216;plone-site&#8217; (or whatever is agreed) in del.icio.us for instance has several other advantages: (1) it exposes the plone-ness of these sites to users who browse their del.icio.us listing for other reasons, (2) it exposes the listings to open public tagging on their other attributes, evolving a rough &amp; ready folksonomy of plone-sites, (3) it lets the bookmarking public express its rating of sites&#8217; interest and importance (for instance, 900 people have bookmarked &#8216;Ubuntu &#8211; Linux for Human Beings&#8217; at del.icio.us), and (4) it makes it very very quick &amp; simple for plone advocates to note plone sites as we encounter them.</p>
<p>For instance, the tag I have used to casually note plone sites as I run across them is &#8220;plone-site&#8221; (I seem to be the only one who has used this one though:  <a href="http://del.icio.us/tag/plone-site" rel="nofollow">http://del.icio.us/tag/plone-site</a> == <a href="http://del.icio.us/Mike_Malloch/plone-site)" rel="nofollow">http://del.icio.us/Mike_Malloch/plone-site)</a>.  There are 3 uses of the tag &#8220;plonesite&#8221; by others in del,icio.us.  Any reasonably rare string would suit me for this kind of tagging &#8211; the more &#8216;natural&#8217; and guess-able the better of course.</p>
<p>I have a hunch that simplicity and open-ness are in themselves a 5th advantage of complementing &#8216;real&#8217; case studies and listing entries with more casual postings in the big public services.  As we move towards loosely-coupled parts &amp; services for meeting users&#8217; needs, and away from portal/CMS lock-in, these open services will become more and more important I think.</p>
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