Comments on: Floating Voting (For Plone Enhancement Requests, That Is) http://jstahl.org/archives/2008/07/25/floating-voting-for-plone-enhancement-requests-that-is/ Politics, the environment, technology, activism. And stuff. Fri, 03 Sep 2010 16:44:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Jon Stahl http://jstahl.org/archives/2008/07/25/floating-voting-for-plone-enhancement-requests-that-is/comment-page-1/#comment-393267 Jon Stahl Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:42:56 +0000 http://blogs.onenw.org/jon/?p=1545#comment-393267 <p>@Wichert -- I see that Trac 0.11.1 is now out at http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracDownload</p> @Wichert — I see that Trac 0.11.1 is now out at http://trac.edgewall.org/wiki/TracDownload

]]> By: Jon Stahl http://jstahl.org/archives/2008/07/25/floating-voting-for-plone-enhancement-requests-that-is/comment-page-1/#comment-393266 Jon Stahl Wed, 08 Oct 2008 15:42:36 +0000 http://blogs.onenw.org/jon/?p=1545#comment-393266 <p>@Davi I would very much like to see us use an "ideas" tool like Ubuntu, Salesforce or Dell... I think this would be a great supplement to the tracker, and much more friendly for non-developers.</p> @Davi I would very much like to see us use an “ideas” tool like Ubuntu, Salesforce or Dell… I think this would be a great supplement to the tracker, and much more friendly for non-developers.

]]> By: Davi Lima http://jstahl.org/archives/2008/07/25/floating-voting-for-plone-enhancement-requests-that-is/comment-page-1/#comment-393081 Davi Lima Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:21:43 +0000 http://blogs.onenw.org/jon/?p=1545#comment-393081 <p>I think there are numerous ways on which "people" can "participate" in open source. The very examples you gave for Ubuntu, Salesforce and Dell provide a richer interface designed not to developers nor people who're used to follow nightly builds and Track; they're more likely to follow Twitter =)</p> <p>I believe there could be two systems, as integrated as possible on those reports and next steps. One for Floating Voting and another for Ideas Gathering.</p> <p>What do you think of that?</p> I think there are numerous ways on which “people” can “participate” in open source. The very examples you gave for Ubuntu, Salesforce and Dell provide a richer interface designed not to developers nor people who’re used to follow nightly builds and Track; they’re more likely to follow Twitter =)

I believe there could be two systems, as integrated as possible on those reports and next steps. One for Floating Voting and another for Ideas Gathering.

What do you think of that?

]]> By: Jon Stahl http://jstahl.org/archives/2008/07/25/floating-voting-for-plone-enhancement-requests-that-is/comment-page-1/#comment-393024 Jon Stahl Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:43:52 +0000 http://blogs.onenw.org/jon/?p=1545#comment-393024 <p>Chris- No offense, but looking at an issue tracker is a pretty fundamental "participating in open source" skill, IMHO. Trac is a pretty friendly issue tracker, as far as things go. It already has an "enhancement" ticket type (which could easily be renamed to "feature request" and better documented on the wiki homepage). I think we can probably build some friendlier custom reports to better surface enhancement requests and most popular ones. The reason I think this is at least worth discussing is not that it's a perfect solution (I have a whole 'nother, much more ambitious idea for that!), but because it's implementable with minimal work and no new, unfamiliar systems. +1 to removing "-1" votes, btw. ;-)</p> Chris-
No offense, but looking at an issue tracker is a pretty fundamental “participating in open source” skill, IMHO. Trac is a pretty friendly issue tracker, as far as things go. It already has an “enhancement” ticket type (which could easily be renamed to “feature request” and better documented on the wiki homepage). I think we can probably build some friendlier custom reports to better surface enhancement requests and most popular ones.
The reason I think this is at least worth discussing is not that it’s a perfect solution (I have a whole ‘nother, much more ambitious idea for that!), but because it’s implementable with minimal work and no new, unfamiliar systems.
+1 to removing “-1″ votes, btw. ;-)

]]> By: Chris Johnson http://jstahl.org/archives/2008/07/25/floating-voting-for-plone-enhancement-requests-that-is/comment-page-1/#comment-393023 Chris Johnson Mon, 28 Jul 2008 02:27:40 +0000 http://blogs.onenw.org/jon/?p=1545#comment-393023 <p>I am for the idea of voting for features, but..........plone trac?!?!? AHHHHHHHHH (/me runs). That place is scary. Sorry, I think lots of people manage to make good use of it, but I find it (a) terrifyingly huge (the entire history of plone development in one place...), (b) crappy at search, (c) very slow.</p> <p>Re the first two, the search is very simple for something that contains a gazillion records. I remember trying to report 3.0 beta release bugs and finding it impossible to find the records (which actually were there).</p> <p>An explanation of "what am I supposed to do/know here" for Plone trac would be a helpful way to get over this sensation, for starters. Remember that many people who would be doing simple feature requests might not be familiar with this interface.</p> <p>Additionally, it will require new UI for feature requests. I looked around the existing reports, and couldn't find anything to let me know I would view a collection of feature requests (though on the front page that is requested).</p> <p>Finally, I would rip out the "down" vote, so you only get people voting "for" things (know we have talked about this before...), so you avoid people ripping on ideas without offering anything constructive (/me goes to bed before he has to drink own koolaid :P).</p> I am for the idea of voting for features, but……….plone trac?!?!? AHHHHHHHHH (/me runs). That place is scary. Sorry, I think lots of people manage to make good use of it, but I find it (a) terrifyingly huge (the entire history of plone development in one place…), (b) crappy at search, (c) very slow.

Re the first two, the search is very simple for something that contains a gazillion records. I remember trying to report 3.0 beta release bugs and finding it impossible to find the records (which actually were there).

An explanation of “what am I supposed to do/know here” for Plone trac would be a helpful way to get over this sensation, for starters. Remember that many people who would be doing simple feature requests might not be familiar with this interface.

Additionally, it will require new UI for feature requests. I looked around the existing reports, and couldn’t find anything to let me know I would view a collection of feature requests (though on the front page that is requested).

Finally, I would rip out the “down” vote, so you only get people voting “for” things (know we have talked about this before…), so you avoid people ripping on ideas without offering anything constructive (/me goes to bed before he has to drink own koolaid :P ).

]]> By: Jon Stahl http://jstahl.org/archives/2008/07/25/floating-voting-for-plone-enhancement-requests-that-is/comment-page-1/#comment-393019 Jon Stahl Sun, 27 Jul 2008 00:00:51 +0000 http://blogs.onenw.org/jon/?p=1545#comment-393019 <p>Alex, we already have the bot running in the channel -- it's the only one we allow, because it's so darn useful. :-)</p> Alex, we already have the bot running in the channel — it’s the only one we allow, because it’s so darn useful. :-)

]]> By: Alex Clark http://jstahl.org/archives/2008/07/25/floating-voting-for-plone-enhancement-requests-that-is/comment-page-1/#comment-393018 Alex Clark Sat, 26 Jul 2008 20:42:24 +0000 http://blogs.onenw.org/jon/?p=1545#comment-393018 <p>That would violate the 'no bots' rule in the IRC channel ;-) But seriously, I'm all for anything that improves the Trac experience for the community, and I can help with the deployment.</p> That would violate the ‘no bots’ rule in the IRC channel ;-) But seriously, I’m all for anything that improves the Trac experience for the community, and I can help with the deployment.

]]> By: Jon Stahl http://jstahl.org/archives/2008/07/25/floating-voting-for-plone-enhancement-requests-that-is/comment-page-1/#comment-393016 Jon Stahl Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:55:41 +0000 http://blogs.onenw.org/jon/?p=1545#comment-393016 <p>@Antonhy: CIA is the bot that echoes Trac activity to our IRC channel.</p> <p>@Wichert: I hear ya, this can certainly wait for a 0.0.1 release, assuming that's not forever. A quick bit of googling suggested that perhaps feeding IRC via an RSS-reading bot <em>might</em> be easier than re-customizing CIA (http://trac-hacks.org/ticket/1952). Dunno if that helps.</p> @Antonhy: CIA is the bot that echoes Trac activity to our IRC channel.

@Wichert: I hear ya, this can certainly wait for a 0.0.1 release, assuming that’s not forever. A quick bit of googling suggested that perhaps feeding IRC via an RSS-reading bot might be easier than re-customizing CIA (http://trac-hacks.org/ticket/1952). Dunno if that helps.

]]> By: yurj http://jstahl.org/archives/2008/07/25/floating-voting-for-plone-enhancement-requests-that-is/comment-page-1/#comment-393015 yurj Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:41:50 +0000 http://blogs.onenw.org/jon/?p=1545#comment-393015 <p>+100 :)</p> +100 :)

]]> By: Anthony O'Connell http://jstahl.org/archives/2008/07/25/floating-voting-for-plone-enhancement-requests-that-is/comment-page-1/#comment-393014 Anthony O'Connell Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:38:21 +0000 http://blogs.onenw.org/jon/?p=1545#comment-393014 <p>John, great idea. Wichert, what is CIA support?</p> John, great idea.
Wichert, what is CIA support?

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